I spent $8K on the M2 Ultra Mac Pro even though it’s DUMB │ Apple-youtubeリンクまとめ

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【チャンネル名　Luke Miani】

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David James より:

6月 23, 2023 10:21 am

U don’t even get a free track pad.

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Murray Burke より:

6月 23, 2023 10:38 am

Not only has Apple put their wagons in a circle on right to repair, but it appears to be closing options on the right to upgrade. This seems theoretically hostile to minimizing total lifetime waste: A surprisingly anti-environmental consequence. Hopefully the full cost of lifetime ownership is relatively lower compared with previous flagship units. I also wonder if the recycling options from Apple are owner friendly and environmentally friendly as well.

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pcal より:

6月 23, 2023 10:44 am

Glad you asked my opinion otherwise I’d sound like Troll.

I think you were being facetious about the unboxing, most of us don’t want to spend another hundred or two hundred on ANY cardboard box they’re throwing away.

Apple users know but don’t want to say it, there’s a purpose for this Mac pro it’s so Apple makes money on the case they already designed.

By the way, you claimed that case is beautiful?!?

It’s a cheese grater it’s not beautiful.

Apple didn’t design a new box because they thought they could create a pro that WAS upgradable with ARM, and they were hoping to just sell motherboards to cheese grater users, and continue selling their cheese grater box.

They couldn’t they tried making their SoC upgradable they could not, two reasons, the ARM ISA, and the system-on-chip.

System-on-chip proximity gets latency benefit, anything off system-on-chip will not scale

That’s the reason reason Apple made this non upgradeable, they couldn’t make it upgradable, there were beta testers with the upgradable ultra and it wouldn’t scale.

In fact, ARM can’t scale, that’s why it needs five times more transistors to come close to x86, all arm is good for is instruction for w, instruction for what on a desktop is worthless.

Mac pro uses in the past demanded upgradability, they always wanted the very best processor and RAM they could get, they wanted the fastest hard drive, they more than one, they need to dual/tri/quad boot, they need x86 compatibility, they can’t be stuck in the ARM ISA.

Ultra isn’t the best CPU by far,, it’s not the best graphics by far,.

With this non upgradable Mac pro, apple is outright telling pro users go get x86, Zen 4 is is what you’re looking for right now, next month you’ll be looking for i9 15 gen.

It’s a little bit of news for Apple users,

Apple is already documenting they are leaving ARM, they are poaching Intel x86 and risc techies, they’re trying to come up with their own ISA that can compete transistor for a transistor against x86.

For now they are using five to 10 times transistor count CPU just to stay close.

It’s fine in laptops where instruction / watt mean something, arm is fine in a server where instruction/watt mean something, it’s worthless in desktop workstations.

Five to 10 years, Apple will have their own ISA

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Squidy より:

6月 23, 2023 10:46 am

Wow, Apple took a swing… and a huge miss

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HungryDrago より:

6月 23, 2023 10:58 am

I have macpro 51 and the trash can but I would say this new design is really ugly and dumb. You need to unplug everything to access the inside. Steve would not approved.

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Jeremy Stacey より:

6月 23, 2023 11:08 am

The only people that would need this are recording studios that want to use the new mac pro with Avid Pro Tools PCIE cards. Like its really not worth it for anyone else.

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Ben Greisler より:

6月 23, 2023 11:13 am

It is semi-revisionist history to call the previous Mac Pros “upgradeable” when most of the time their advantage was the ability to load them with cards to meet a need. Did we occasionally add new drives or upgrade RAM? Sure, but mostly they stayed in the configuration they were built in. People yelled and screamed they wanted a MP they could put cards in. Apple gave it to them and now they have it they call it dumb. If you need PCI interface cards this is a good solution. Your other choice would be a Studio with an external PCI cage. The fact Apple sells a rack version should be a clue as to the intention.

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Sjoerd van Kampen より:

6月 23, 2023 11:13 am

Tbh, (and correct me if I’m wrong) most Audio Engineering products and thus also some studio’s have already adapted to non-pcie products. For example, external Thunderbolt soundcards by Universal Audio can be slaved to each other via Thunderbolt or expanded through ADAT. Kind of diminishing the need for pci-e cards altogether in the audio engineering world. Even DSP’s have also’s been made to just connect through thunderbolt. While it is still used, it’s only in highly specific cases.

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Kevys RC & Music より:

6月 23, 2023 11:31 am

for the pros that need the pci slots then yes its practicial but other wise total waste of extra money so yes i also agree that the mac pro m2 really is usless to buy for the performace side for sure wehn its going to be the same as the studio but it does have the edge for the pci slots that some would need but i think your paying that extra more for the case then anyhting else

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zolwixon より:

6月 23, 2023 11:33 am

@Luke Miani please try in new M2 MacPro Radeon card from MacPro 5.1. Everyone is curious what will happen? Will nothing work, or will it somehow work?

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Thomas より:

6月 23, 2023 11:36 am

Upgradable memory is a thing from the past. Just accept it. The fact that it’s integrated in the CPU is an important reason for the M-series performance that we have.

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David W. より:

6月 23, 2023 11:37 am

Apple fell since Steve Jobs, this is an excellent example.

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neilmacmusic より:

6月 23, 2023 11:40 am

if they separated that massive unnecessary power supply they could have launched this Mac Pro in Pizza Box form

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neilmacmusic より:

6月 23, 2023 11:42 am

so many of my pro audio colleagues are still rocking the 5,1 Mac Pro’s and have so eagerly awaited this totally lack-lustre release

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Mark Tadros より:

6月 23, 2023 11:48 am

“Apple sheep” lol, that’s you man…

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David より:

6月 23, 2023 11:54 am

1:00 Owen Wilson feature

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TheSakuraGumiLTD より:

6月 23, 2023 12:09 pm

Why didn’t create a new cooling for it?
It’s reusing a design to cut corners but costs a lot more.
They could have put the Mac Studio cooler on the M2 max chip.
There are people this is for and it is only what you said and a bit more, and that bit more is anyone that uses PCIE devices and that’s it… well that it as long as it’s not any sort of GPU or multiple GPU’s?????
Which will cut out a load more people.
I’m a mix and mastering engineer for audio that will also be doing YouTube so will needed to edit video… so it could work for me.
But if I wanted to have separate GPU’s so they could handle rendering while I did other things I couldn’t have that.
It seems only to be for people with a one direction work flow.
For the Avid HDX system I would need the PCIE slots and would opt for this over a thunderbolt eGPU running it for that slight difference in which does make a big difference in recording, but would this be my option now???
They brought out the M chips and I was like “Mac has become like a console now” especially as a someone using it for music, it took so long until at least half of my plugins worked with the M chips.
And I have now been watching this and finding it very impressive for the performance VS price but still turned off by it becoming more limited at the same time, more lucrative to the apple eco system…
Waiting and waiting for them to bring out the M chip Pro to completely change the game and make the limitations of the eco system to be greatly worth it and “woooop” (falling whistle sound) it’s basically just a Mac Studio with PCIE slots, and not only that, PCIE slots you can not put other GPU’s in.
It’s a very puzzling result and is just screaming “more profit!, MORE PROFIT!”…

But still, it is a power house for it’s price… it has value and yet doesn’t… it’s a good life but you have joined a cult

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Alex Laframboise より:

6月 23, 2023 12:22 pm

Even as an audio professional, while lighter tasks would benefit from the performance of the M2 chip, 192gb of ram could and most likely would be the bottleneck making the Intel platform the go to choice.

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Bryan Joseph より:

6月 23, 2023 12:28 pm

They should have made pcie cards with m2 chips on em for parallel processing…

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Алексей Гриднев より:

6月 23, 2023 12:36 pm

If Apple actually ports the AMD drivers for their graphics cards for Apple Silicon (so that you could use top of the line AMD graphics cards on this machine), that would at least somewhat justify the extra costs.

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