I spent $8K on the M2 Ultra Mac Pro even though it’s DUMB │ Apple-youtubeリンクまとめ

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【チャンネル名　Luke Miani】

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Eric Kleefeld より:

6月 22, 2023 8:45 pm

The current Mac Studio has successfully pulled off what the failed trashcan Mac Pro tried to be. And once Apple achieved that, the new tower Mac Pro is just so obviously superfluous.

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Contour Nut より:

6月 22, 2023 8:45 pm

It’s the price that I just don’t understand. It’s a studio ultra with PCI-E cards, a big nice motherboard, and upgradeable storage. So yea, it should cost more. That big case costs real money. Let’s say, $600 (not cost, but cost plus a nice margin for apple, and remember, this is cost beyond the studio case). And that big nice motherboard, well a really great motherboard might go for $600 or so. The upgradeable storage, while it has value, frankly has no cost and should just be tossed in with it being a pro product. So, this really ought to be like $5,200. Not $7,000. Where the heck is that other almost $2k in price premium coming from?!

Anyway, I don’t care because I don’t want one. I’m just shocked that they didn’t do anything to make it worth it. They didn’t even clock up that ultra chip to take advantage of the extra cooling. Are people really going to spend $7k to be able to use PCI-E cards? I guess if you have no choice?

Maybe Apple could have redesigned the case to fit neatly in a 1u rack mount and charged that premium? But then you wouldn’t have much expandability.

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MagnumDB より:

6月 22, 2023 8:45 pm

Daaaaaamn. I started on a PowerMac G4 and since then I was ALL towers. Mirrored door G4, Mac Pro 3,1, Mac Pro 5,1… but I was getting tired of these massive hot machines, I probably never needed ALL that power.

When the Mac Studio came out – my heart skipped a beat, this may actually be the first non-tower Mac I buy. And after tons of research on if/what configuration I should get… I got one.

And so far, not a single regret. The M2 Mac Studio wasn’t even enough for me to wish I waited. I had been holding out for a long long time that a Silicon Mac Pro would come out thinking it’d be cheaper because it’s Apple Silicon… but wow. This is worse than I thought for the Mac Pro but makes me happier than I thought about getting the M1 Max Mac Studio.

And I paid in installments over a year with no interest so it was generally affordable!

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koz_tech より:

6月 22, 2023 8:47 pm

Disclaimer: I have zero experience with the M2 Mac Pro so this is just based on reviews, documentation, etc.

This M2 Mac Pro is mainly pointless from a consumer/prosumer/pro standpoint, short of a very few niche cases. It only exists to finally get rid of the last “current” Intel-based Mac. Now Apple can put in a definitive timeline for ending all support for Intel-based systems.

As for the claim you can’t use a dedicated GPU due to the integrated GPU in the M2, I mean we’ve been using dedicated GPU’s with integrated ones for years, even several of Apple’s systems had that setup. So if it really isn’t possible, it would have to be an artificial limitation (as in Apple chose not to). Not sure if the ARM version of macOS has any AMD drivers still baked in (typically done for compatibility reasons or whatever) but if they are there I wonder if anyone tried a 5000 or 6000 series card…just for kicks.

And yes, I’m aware the graphics capabilities in the M2 are on-par or even surpass even some of the latest offerings from NVidia and AMD, but that’s TODAY. The point of the Intel Mac Pro was that you could add RAM, upgrade the graphics, heck, even the CPU. Apple could have designed this at the very least with a modular SoC socket that you could drop in a new M3, M4, whatever in the future. Instead in a few years you will have an outdated system that will just end up as e-waste.

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Uri Kaufman より:

6月 22, 2023 8:48 pm

It’s evident that Apple is silently (or not) trying to kill the Mac Pro. With the lack of upgradeability and everything if they really wanted to keep the Mac Pro alive they wouldn’t have made a Mac Studio with the very same SoC and they would’ve reserved the faster, more expensive chip exclusive for the Mac Pro.

So, clearly this is a product for virtually nobody and Apple designed and expected it to be that way, probably as a very sofisticate excuse to discontinue the Mac Pro entirely.

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Alexis Arias より:

6月 22, 2023 8:51 pm

I don’t know why apple came out with some shit like that, that pro machine don’t make any sense at all

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JP より:

6月 22, 2023 8:59 pm

I see a return of this product in your future…

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Migue Pizar より:

6月 22, 2023 9:04 pm

I would say, don’t buy this thing, just get a mac studio m2 and wait for next year for the real mac pro with m3 chipset, or just don’t buy nothing at all now, but just wait, that’s should be a real powerhouse.

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Ariel Gonzalez より:

6月 22, 2023 9:04 pm

the mac pro is basically apple’s way to say ”we are done with the transition to apple silicon”…. because, as you show with the results, the mac studio is basically the way to go. and from now on, in the long run, the mac pro in itself makes no sense given the capabilities of thunderbolt over pci for most things (and also because a lot of developers are doing things related to usb-c)

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Tom Pike より:

6月 22, 2023 9:08 pm

The new Mac Pro is an incredibly niche product. I’m sure there are a very small number of professionals who use software that is Mac specific and REQUIRE add-in cards so they can’t use the Mac Studio. How on earth can such a tiny number of people justify the production cost of this machine?

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ATHE より:

6月 22, 2023 9:11 pm

in Apple we trust…Apple makes ready-to-serve products, not diy!!!

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MarkNiceyard より:

6月 22, 2023 9:12 pm

It doesn’t interest me at all what specs it have because it’s ugly.

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Serge Terryn より:

6月 22, 2023 9:12 pm

If you have more money than brains …

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Ken St Pierre より:

6月 22, 2023 9:15 pm

Did you just run the Mac Pro on the iMac 2017 Display ?

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Thomas Gill より:

6月 22, 2023 9:15 pm

I’m not convinced that it won’t support graphics, it just won’t at present, and isn’t baked into the OS at present. There are plenty of opportunities for drivers to take advantage of the PCIe bandwidth for GPUs, but with the performance currently coming out of that SoC, it likely isn’t needed. But there are a lot of other options for those PCIe ports; scientific equipment, audio and video input, audio output, storage cards, networking equipment, etc.

However, you are correct Luke, for most people, this machine isn’t worth it. Especially since we didn’t get an M2 Ultra chip. Other design considerations may be down to limitation with the current M2 design, that will be corrected in M3 (like external RAM); especially given the feedback from the community of users and reviewers. In the end, this system will sell enough units to the appropriate people to break even, and justify a new model, likely smaller (closer to Mini ATX size, with 3 open PCIe slots), and with a more robust use case, due to maturity of the platform.

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aman dhindsa より:

6月 22, 2023 9:16 pm

This is Mac Pro is worth almost a car down payment.

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Finn Jaeger より:

6月 22, 2023 9:18 pm

the mac pro is actually cheaper than a mac studio for my config.

If you need fast storage like a 8x nvme raid, 40/100Gbit networking and stuff even if you CAN get thunderbolt stuff its usually way more expensive.

So i dont hate having it , I find it a bit too steep and a mac pro mini would have been nicer, something like a mac studio with 2 pciE ports or something.

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Tim Thomason より:

6月 22, 2023 9:18 pm

No reason to keep it, send it back

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F M より:

6月 22, 2023 9:19 pm

I wouldn’t mind seeing a video with Luke filling up all those PCI slots with compatible cards.

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James Lenney より:

6月 22, 2023 9:20 pm

So… it’s useless. Looks pretty, though.

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