I spent $8K on the M2 Ultra Mac Pro even though it’s DUMB │ Apple-youtubeリンクまとめ

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【チャンネル名　Luke Miani】

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MERLOW より:

6月 22, 2023 7:59 pm

I cannot think of a single use for a pci sound card today. Audio engineers, studios and creators use mixers and external interfaces. Audiophiles are using dac/amp stacks. Pci cards aren’t providing benefit over onboard audio. Is anyone plugging XLR into a pci card? Mac studio + dedicated audio device clears.

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Matthew Malthouse より:

6月 22, 2023 8:02 pm

The only possible reason for that machine is the PCI slots. I’d want to add a Fibre Channel HBA… But doesn’t look like that’s happening. So no reason to buy it.

Shame about your $8,000. But nice shirt. 🤣

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zeruty より:

6月 22, 2023 8:03 pm

$50,000 configuration? Holy fudge 🤣
People are insane

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rgaufman より:

6月 22, 2023 8:06 pm

I agree this first iteration is useless, but with the space and cooling available, imagine a dual or quad CPU configuration in the future…

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Jules Stoop より:

6月 22, 2023 8:09 pm

When the M1 Ultra was introduced with the first generation Mac Studio, Apple teased development of a future soc meant for the Mac Pro which was not to be part of the M-range. At least not in name. Shortly after or around the same time, rumors about a 4 soc’s-on-a-chip ‘extreme’ processor started to bubble to the surface. It’s logical to extrapolatie that this alleged extreme processor was intended for a yet to be released Mac Pro and wouldn’t have been released with an M-series based moniker.

After that there were two major setbacks which made Apple postpone or cancel this extreme chip: M1 Ultra’s GPU performance was not scaling as well as hoped for; Apple’s ray tracing GPU intended for the M2-generation of Apple Silicon turned out to be a bridge too far. I personally believe we will still see both developments in the 3nm iterations of Apple Silicon. After all: the scaling problems seem to have been fixed with M2 Max and a ray tracing GPU is still a logical next step. Also with future vision OS hardware in mind. Perhaps that—a Mac Pro exclusive chip—will make this machine more interesting.

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Midnight Snack より:

6月 22, 2023 8:10 pm

Hehe few decades from now this might end up being a collector’s piece because its oddness.

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Tarynn Elizabeth より:

6月 22, 2023 8:14 pm

So…. Luke….. here is the smartest thing that you can do. Box it back up, put my address on the shipping label and ship it to me.

😂😂

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Jose Prieto より:

6月 22, 2023 8:17 pm

What bothers me more is the fact that this stupid thing is limited to 192GB of RAM. For something of its class, it’s NOTHING. The old Mac Pro could easily do 2TB,but here we are.

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zeruty より:

6月 22, 2023 8:17 pm

Having pcie slots is very useful.
It’s ridiculous that ram and cpu can’t be upgraded, and that there’s no extra storage locations that won’t take up pcie slots.

But $8k? You all need to stop paying so much for unexpandable shizzz.

$2000 would be almost reasonable for it, considering how completely limited the other systems are.
But the Mac pro should give you so much more for $2000.
And you should get 4 of them for $8000

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Technocrat より:

6月 22, 2023 8:17 pm

If Apple lets you swap out M2 ultra for me ultra in Mac Pro then the extra 3k is worth it.

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Christopher Westphal より:

6月 22, 2023 8:18 pm

I think the biggest problem is there is no real professional macs anymore outside of content creation. ingest, capture and audio interfaces make sense. As do the ability to mount bifricated pcie NVME storage via 8x cards (two 4x wide PCIe NVME drives for instance). However, even several of the use cases you mentioned are likely to be SLOWER on a M2 Mac Pro then on a 2019 Mac Pro.
examples:
quite a bit of STEM use cases
anything that uses a GPU (the maxed out SKU is about 4070 in terms of performance in most well optimized cases) [I belive even the 5,1 can support 6950 XT cards with a mod to the PSU]
anything highly single threaded
anything that needs more then 192 GB of memory

If you dont use the accelerators and fixed function hardware you are effectivly sitting between a top of the line Zen 4 7950X & 13th gen Intel i9 for most CPU or compute focused tasks. Do anything using OpenCL, CUDA, or the other mixed compute libraries and your either crippled or not really gaining anything for A LOT of more money

Want to spend the same amount of money and start looking at the latest Xeon or Thread Ripper workstations? You will often run circles around it.

Want to compose, edit, or mix things that need more then 192 GB of unified memory? Your out of luck no matter how many dollars you can throw at it.

as for the trend of their transition…
Its amazing how Apple keeps comparing these to old static configurations and not compared to what would happen if they stayed the course introduced in the 5,1 or 7,1. Intel’s Xeon workstations now have increasing amount of die space reserved for accelerators, similar to what makes Apple be able to claim 10x improvements. Instead they keep comparing themselves to 4+ year old hardware. Yah since 2018 there has been an explosion in efficiency and raw performance increase generation after generation.

I just cant feel like Apple once again missed the architecture shift mark. Like how it wasnt until the G3 or G4 PowerPC hit its stride. Or it took many years before x86_64 solidly completed with the G5 end to end. It feels 3 years to late for AARM and 4 years to early for RISC-V. Meanwhile X86_64 is going through its largest shift since the 386.

Outside of the Air and base Mini… its really hard to see where they gained a lot going to ARM. Don’t get me wrong those are amazing. But even then apple crippled those product by locking out multi-external display support behind the Pro series silicon. And by the time your there… for most workflows a I5/Ryzen5 will give you comparable or greater performance for less money with comparable battery life for most tasks [~7 watt idle/50 watt {peak and sustained} load for M2, ~8 watt idle/45 watt load {65 few second turbo peak} for my 12th gen intel notebook]. It all comes down to OS and app optimizations at that point. [Does something use an accelerator? how aggressive does it sleep and idle? etc, etc]
It also makes me chuckle how huge of a battery they put in the Mac Book Pros to get that extra battery life compared to the older generations.

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Krystian より:

6月 22, 2023 8:21 pm

Send it back to Apple.

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Siriax より:

6月 22, 2023 8:27 pm

It needs RGB.

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Evan Agee より:

6月 22, 2023 8:29 pm

The only answer for why this Mac Pro exists is that they must have had an abundance of those beefy chassis sitting around in a warehouse somewhere. This thing is so weird…

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John Snow より:

6月 22, 2023 8:34 pm

This is a very fair and reasonable take on that machine. You will obviously return it

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Tim Wildauer より:

6月 22, 2023 8:34 pm

Not that they shouldn’t have upgradable ram, but isn’t the ssd faster than any ram you could add off die? If so, it would make sense to have the expandable memory as your normal drive, and have the ssd dedicated for memory swapping.

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Charles Woods より:

6月 22, 2023 8:38 pm

I think you are correct

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Bill Knight より:

6月 22, 2023 8:40 pm

I’m wonder if the slightly faster tests are a result of a slightly better SSD somehow? I wonder what an SSD speed test would show.

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Milpool より:

6月 22, 2023 8:40 pm

I suspect they’re going to make the Mac Pro upgradable when new processors as long as it’s done with an upgrade kit you purchase through apple.

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Tony Burzio より:

6月 22, 2023 8:44 pm

TSMC is busy right now, so Apple will have to wait for 3nm chips. If things work out, there will be a better Mac Pro in a year or so. If not, there won’t be any more
Macs. At all.

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